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31st of October 2014 11:16 PM by David Gregory
Ron. I'm not trying to have the last word on your Tiger Moth but I thought it was worthwhile to do a little research on it. From pictures showing the engine, it really isn't much bigger than a car engine and would have easily been moved around by two chaps with the right equipment. The Tiger moth had no electrics and had to be started by rotating the propeller by hand. It was used in the latter stages of the war by coastal command to spot submarines. Because it had no radio communication the plane always carried two pigeons in case of crashing when they were released with the appropriate message. I know some of you are concerned about where the engine ended up but for me, who nicked the pigeons. I assume we are back to school dinners again. I did mention in a previous post that the meat was a bit doubtful.
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31st of October 2014 04:34 PM by Ron Riches
I think that I am going to quit while I'm ahead Bill. I know that my original query was what had become of the engine but for the time being I'll rest content in the knowledge that I hadn't imagined the
wretched thing.

As to what was an aeroplane doing on school property in the middle of a war. The Tiger Moth was a toothless old biplane upon which most trainee pilots cut their teeth between the wars. I dare say that there were a large number of them that had been pensioned off and which were acquired as it were for educational purposes.
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31st of October 2014 03:18 PM by Bill Green
What a relief for you Ron. The men in white coats can now be stood down.

We still havn't heard what happened to the Tiger Moth engine - anyone admitting to playing around with it?
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31st of October 2014 03:07 PM by David Langley
No need ....... Hitler installed Tabby as his agent.
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31st of October 2014 02:51 PM by David Morris
The aero engine

I'm pleased to read that this has been resolved.

However can anyone answer this?

Full size aeroplane parked in school playground during war time! Surely it must have been camouflaged ? After all we knew that Von Manstein had earmarked the school for his HQ.
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31st of October 2014 10:31 AM by David Langley
So please ask about the organ console Father March was fiddling with in my time !
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31st of October 2014 09:57 AM by Ron Riches
I'll try not to sound smug, but the engine in the woodwork room was not a figment of my imagination. I managed to contact Lionel March as suggested via Facebook and he was kind enough to email me and to put my mind to rest. Whilst my reference to Heinkel 110 was a little fanciful, there was in fact, slightly before my time, a complete De Haviland Tiger Moth that stood where the scout hut was later built at which time the engine was transferred to the woodwork room as Lionel said "for the boys to play with".

I rest my case!
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31st of October 2014 09:51 AM by Bob Kennett
Reminiscing with Alan Pratt (who has a remarkable memory of all things school!) and he noted that the bike sheds are well and truly gone - but since when? Also there seem to be plenty of cyclists about but few kids , if any , bike to school nowadays. Remember the inspections ? I for one used to detect an imminent inspection , about turn , and leave my bike in Gary Gardner's driveway in Fallowfield Crescent . What about those cycling tours - I never took part myself but recall hearing about Bristol and back over Easter holiday! Cycling was definitely the main means of transport in those far off days.
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30th of October 2014 11:47 PM by Peter Benger
I attended Hove Grammar 1960-65.
Reference "The School Staff", I recall that Mr Savage "Dudley" taught us Physics 1964-65. A very kind and gentle teacher.
It's sad to see that most, if not all of my teachers have passed on. "Buddy" Holley, who died in 2013 seemed so young when he taught us R.I. in 1960/61.
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30th of October 2014 09:19 PM by David Hitchin
In the Gallery there is an aerial photo of the school in 1948. At the back, behind the bike sheds and stretching towards the windmill some derelict ground, with an enclosure containing, presumably, an old farmhouse. It is still not generally known that in this area there was an underground bunker which might have become one of the command and control centres if the country was invaded.
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30th of October 2014 04:34 PM by Peter Ballantine
In my time we had alternative weeks or art and then woodwork. i was no good at art either but I did learn from Jack Hawkins. It was a great relief when the double woodwork period was over for another two weeks and even better when we gave it up after two years.
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30th of October 2014 11:48 AM by Bill Brock
I can confirm David Gregory's Post 963 that there is a complete set of bound school magazines 1936-1979 upstairs in Hove Public Library. They are kept in a locked cabinet, but a staff member will give you what you want to see without any fuss. Incidentally, there is also a set of the Girls' magazines there too. They make very dull reading compared with ours. Something to do with the headmistress's regime I suspect.
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30th of October 2014 09:33 AM by David Morris
Sorry lads - can't help at all. I arrived at the school in March 1952 and have no recollection of an aero engine at that time. Perhaps Lionel March is the one to ask? - Lionel can you help?

I was another one who hated woodwork - I was soon told that I wouldn't get much help to catch up with the others but I did complete the boot scraper. I changed to art as soon as I could but my art was no better than my woodwork. One lad was so depressed with his woodwork that he "lost" his item and HB went ballistic when it couldn't be found.

I'm glad that David Gregory can obtain his football stats. We had a long conversation and found out that both of us were married in the same church in Bedfordshire albeit eight years apart. Small world!
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29th of October 2014 07:34 PM by Ron Riches
I don't suppose by any chance that David Morris happens to remember a certain aero-engine. Just thought I'd ask.
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29th of October 2014 03:08 PM by Peter Ballantine
someone mentions making a boot scrapper in 1944 - well in the late 50s we were still doing the same thing. did Harry's lessons ever change? Not my favourite part of school life and was glad to give up after two years though being in windsor house the woodwork room remained familiar for house assemblies.
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29th of October 2014 02:58 PM by David Gregory
After receiving information from David Morris, I understand there are copies of HCGSB School magazines dating back as far as 1946 under lock and key at Hove Library, Church Road, Hove.
These can be viewed after producing identity and copies can be made if required.
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29th of October 2014 12:02 PM by David Gregory
Thanks Webmaster. Mission accomplished - David Morris made contact today.
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29th of October 2014 11:08 AM by Bill Green
This won't happen Ron, but Brothers it brings to an end the interesting Grimm exchanges and tales of Heinkel and Metel, leaving open to our imagination what magic was performed by the Wizard who lived in the woodwork room in the shadow of the Windmill.
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29th of October 2014 10:03 AM by Ron Riches
Nice try Bill but I think that I'll just wait for the men in white coats.
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28th of October 2014 07:07 PM by Bill Green
The memory you have Ron sounds as if the black enamel engine of the Heinkel you think was downed in 1940 was in a pristine condition. If this is so, then in the subsequent four years until you saw it in 1944 some professional and extensive restoration work may have carried out before Harry was asked to make a wooden frame for some special display away from our woodwork room.

You could have been lucky enough to have seen it during the brief period when Harry was making the frame and at a time when your attention was temporarily diverted from the onerous task of whittling away most of your shoe scraper.

If so, this means the hallucinatory magic mushroom theory set out in an earlier post will similarly be shot down in flames, albeit not on the Downs, and in future you can continue to partake without fear of ill effect.
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28th of October 2014 09:50 AM by Ron Riches
Come on Chaps, you've got to be winding me up!! How could I imagine something that size? I've just spoken to Bruno Strata a 1943/48 old boy, confident that he would put my mind at rest and the best he could do was tell me that he could vaguely remember something being there which only served to suggest that he was trying to humour me.

Now, I would like you all to close your eyes and think. It was a twelve cylinder air-cooled radial engine nicely finished in black enamel and mounted on a wooden frame. As you entered the woodwork room, you turned left and left again and there it was in the middle of the floor.

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28th of October 2014 12:13 AM by David Gregory
Sorry Ron but I think you have been hallucinating again and you really must stop taking those magic mushrooms. I have no recall of any German radial engine in the woodwork room unless it was hidden behind that full sized U Boat in the corner. However, joking apart, I fully endorse your well said sentiments and feelings about this site and long may it continue. Thanks Ken, Geoff and anybody else involved and that includes you R.R. for bringing back some long forgotten pleasant memories.
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27th of October 2014 09:55 PM by Webmaster
Thank you both Ron and Bill for your concerns about the website - Ron : stick , end of , wrong ? Yes
Bill : I have noted your offer but hope never to have to take it up. Basically as long as I stick with the current broadband provider all remains free - yes FREE!! but even if another provider is used the price to host this site in its present form would cost about £10 per month so the current funds would last 18 months which would give us plenty of time to appeal for funds /make other arrangements.
Once again thank you for your support - you epitomise the balance between friendly concern and healthy cynicism that the school gave us all !
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27th of October 2014 09:37 PM by Bill Green
I remain convinced that the metal aero engine would have attracted my attention if it was there in the woodwork room but , David L the same would not apply to an organ console. In 1952, at such a tender age, I would never have seen an organ nor imagined what any such item in the course of construction may have been. For those particular woodwork lessons it seems that as Ron left school, Harry B's ire was redirected to me by seemingly incessant exhortations on how to use a plane. This had no connection with the said Heinkel 110 about which I hope David G can give back up to Ron's memory.

PS - I too was concerned about the finances available to continue with this site, and my earlier offer to contribute when the search for bank signatories first arose was put on hold since I understood all would be OK in the immediate future.
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27th of October 2014 07:30 PM by Ron Riches
You're quite right Bill Green, you would certainly not have missed the aero-engine that is bothering me although I am beginning to wonder if I could have imagined it. So come on David Gregory help me out and convince me that I'm not hallucinating.

David Langley sir! You must have overlapped myself and Bill Green so may have something to contribute. Did you perhaps spot it, it was only about five feet in height and probably weighed a ton and a half. Think man!!

I has occurred to me that it may have been smuggled away behind my back in compliance with the wartime law on the subject. After I'd whittled away almost to nothing my attempt at a shoe scraper, Harry B hinted that woodwork may not be my strong suit and we parted company on only a semi-friendly note at the end of year one.

I suppose it could have been taken away during a holiday whereupon my exclusion from the woodwork room might have led to my not missing the wretched thing but come on one of you Davids, please put me out of my misery.
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27th of October 2014 07:08 PM by Ron Riches
Webmaster sir! For the last fifty-three years, I have had the good fortune to have shared my life with the best domestic finance manager on this planet, a particular stroke of luck in my case as my only real financial skill is spending. It means therefore that any skill that I may have had in money management has fallen into decline to such an extent that it is now all but defunct.

I have therefor to ask you if the quoted balance which seems to me to be pretty small can be taken to mean that the website may be in a precarious state?

For many years, I had hardly given the old school a second thought until that is, I stumbled upon your site. I always had among the staff, a reputation for always having too much to say and this facility has re-kindled that "virtue" with a vengeance. No honestly!! its quite true.

The point that I am making is that given the great amount of pleasure the site has given a to tidy number of us I suspect that if the situation warranted it, and I have to add that I can only speak for myself at this time, some funds could be raised to keep it afloat.

Apologies if (not for the first time) I've grasped the wrong end of the stick!
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27th of October 2014 03:53 PM by Webmaster
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27th of October 2014 02:46 PM by David Langley
Bill, I seem to remember Skip March's organ console under construction in the Woodworm room ..... perhaps it displaced the trophy?
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25th of October 2014 12:02 PM by Bill Green
Ron, the radial aero engine must have been removed between your departure in 1949 and my arrival in the woodwork room circa 1952. It must have been such a large display that even allowing for the intense concentration I need to design and make the exotic offering of a plant label, I believe I would have noticed such an object and one which I might also reluctantly have conceded was marginally more impressive that my finished product - where "finished" was said by the "brown coated one" to be a gross overstatement!.

Can anyone narrow this gap of 3 or 4 years and pinpoint the removal date - was it to a museum, repatriation or bunce for scrap metal dealers?
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25th of October 2014 11:26 AM by Ron Riches
Okay David! I spotted the elementary cock-up in my final sentence just as I clicked to submit.
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25th of October 2014 11:22 AM by Ron Riches
Does any contributor to this site have any idea as to the fate of the magnificent radial aero engine mounted upon a wooden frame that stood in the woodwork room at least during my 1944/49 spell at the school. I believe that it came from a Heinkel 110 bomber that was brought down on the downs behind the school during the Battle of Britain in 1940 and it must have somehow circumnavigated the wartime law forbidding the collection of items of enemy equipment or parts thereof.

It was a beautiful piece of Teutonic engineering and I would hate to think that it suffered a similar fate as did the school motto at the hands of the present regime.

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24th of October 2014 10:14 PM by David Langley
Ron, no worries.

This is a very civil site, all praise to the mighty webmaster.
No need for Tabby's ghost to intervene.
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24th of October 2014 07:03 PM by Ron Riches
I hope Webmaster that you will permit me my last word on a subject with only a tenuous connection to HCGS.

Sorry for the delay David L but you've been at it again you old rascal.

I'm sure that dear old Bill Lawrence would have had little difficulty in unravelling the extract in my earlier post which was baffling you. One more thing, I don't think that I said or even implied that education was a simile for knowledge although I perhaps suggested and would still maintain that the former generates and stimulates the latter in the minds of those that are able to absorb it.

Harmless banter David, taken I hope in the spirit in which it was intended, Long my it continue.
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23rd of October 2014 04:26 PM by Ron Riches
I must apologise Webmaster for straying into non-HCGS territory. I was tempted and found wanting when an opportunity arose to continue a line of tongue-in-the-cheek semi-political banter with my brother-in-law who I have sadly not seen for a number of years.

Equally tongue-in-cheek was my speculation regarding the designation to houses although during my 1944/49 time and my brother's 1937/42, Kent (my house) and Windsor (that of my brother) seemed more sportingly challenged than random selection might have achieved. More sour grapes I hear you mutter!

Your memory serves you better than does mine David G. I can't remember the actual ceremony of selection but the evidence upon which the captains were elected must have been a bit tenuous after such a short period.
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23rd of October 2014 03:27 PM by Bill Green
Firstly can I add my thanks for the very interesting sports stats provided by David Morris and added by the Webmaster. At first glance I have not been able to discern any bias to one or other of the four houses but perhaps others may show some Machiavellian influences at the point of allocation.

Regarding the Webmasters Post 940, I did not open the website in time and " ..removal of the last two posts.." had occurred. In general I have much enjoyed keeping up to date with the views expressed about HCGSB and would not advocate any significant change but a bit of controversy I believe makes the exchanges more interesting, providing always nothing of a libellous nature is allowed.
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23rd of October 2014 03:04 PM by Webmaster
Webmaster has been looking out for an email from you D.G. to answer the request for a phone number but have not received anything to date. Please email so that we can ascertain where the problem lies.
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23rd of October 2014 02:40 PM by David Gregory
Message for David Morris. Many thanks for posting sports stats. I tried to make contact but Webmaster would not accept either of my two addresses. Thanks again.
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23rd of October 2014 02:27 PM by David Gregory
Ron. Your comments regarding House selection are interesting but vary from what I recall. It was a wet and windy September day in 1944 that "Tabby" gathered all of the new first form pupils together in the centre circle of the main football pitch after our very first game of football. He then selected four "Star" players and called out their names Don Bates, Don Payne, Alan Rawlings, and a chap called Buckland. They were then named as house captains, but from memory I don't believe Houses had been nominated. The house captains were then asked to pick, one at a time, who they would like to join them. This was reminiscent of being at the Regent Dance Hall while Sid Dean said the next dance was a Ladies Excuse me. Talk about feeling like wallflower. I did eventually get selected to join Alan Rawlings. I cannot recall how we advanced to the next stage of House selection, maybe someone can enlighten me. Ron, you were there and presumably suffered the same fate. Also I cannot recall "Basher", with fag in mouth, lurking in the near vicinity.
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23rd of October 2014 01:19 PM by Webmaster
Many thanks for the approbation which is presumably directed at me rather than the somewhat opinionated BobK , whoever he may be. When I started the site as an advert for the "70years on"
reunion I had no idea how "organic" a little space in the world wide web could be. I have always tried to keep the site strictly as a depository and forum for things Hove Grammar School and with the help and advice of Geoff Stoner have been reasonably successful in this respect. That is why, reluctantly, I have to remove the last two posts . I have toyed with the idea of having an open forum which would be entered by password and would have to include disclaimers etc. but by definition it would thereby be diluted and pointless . Please help with this dilemma and let us have your views - as succinctly as possible please.
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23rd of October 2014 01:03 PM by David Langley
I simply do not understand the following:

"the period spent in education is governed by the rate at which natural development is related to the ability to absorb knowledge and therefore remains virtually constant".

Bill Lawrence would not have been impressed..

In any case, knowledge and education are not synonymous.

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23rd of October 2014 12:33 PM by Ron Riches
I am sure that creating a website is considerably easier than it appears to people like myself to whom the mysteries of such technology are totally beyond comprehension but that cannot alter the fact that this particular website is as good as it gets. As we approach the magic thousand posts I feel constrained not only to congratulate Bob K on its outstanding success but to thank him for the hours of undiluted pleasure that the site has given me.

The new addition of "sports statistics" is not only interesting but it serves to strengthen my long held suspicion that the designation of house places might not have been entirely a matter of chance. Throughout my time at the school, York and Gloucester always seemed to vie for the honours whilst Windsor and Kent fought over the wooden spoon. Whenever I asked Don Bates if his and that of his pal Dilley Chapman's entry into York house was in any way influenced by the fact that his father Basher was responsible for all of the school's physical activities his normally benign demeanour was completely transformed. Makes you think, doesn't it?
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22nd of October 2014 11:35 PM by Webmaster
Thanks to David Morris for sending the relevant 1957 School Magazine pages.
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22nd of October 2014 04:53 PM by Robin Phelps
One of the reasons that I raised the subject of school hours was to confirm my thoughts that there have been no reductions of times within secondary education in the past 60 years whereas there have been quite large reductions in the adult working week together with greater holiday entitlements.
However, judging by the experiences of my grandchildren, sixth form college hours seem totally random and do not appear to be efficient or cost effective.
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22nd of October 2014 01:01 PM by Peter Ballantine
School times changed in my time there(58-65) we ended up with 5 lessons in the morning; school started i think at 8.55 and finished for lunch at 1pm and only two lessons in the afternoon and we finished at 3.45 unless it was a cricket afternoon when we went on until 4.30
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22nd of October 2014 07:48 AM by Ron Riches
I think that I remember Ken Nash David but I wouldn't put my pension on it. The lad I'm thinking of had ginger or at least gingerish hair and was a train boy I think from Hassocks. I believe that he joined the Hove police force but I'm far from sure on that score.

You're a cheeky blighter Bob P. I'll be reporting you to your big sister!
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21st of October 2014 09:24 PM by David Gregory
Ron, I am unable to contradict the information you have given regarding school working times. Afraid the old memory doesn't stretch that far. However I can confirm some exciting news in that the bell which signalled the end of each lesson was rung by a young lad named Ken Nash who was in our year and presumably was the only chap in the school who had a reasonably reliable watch. He was also a more than capable goalkeeper for Kent House. Strange how the memory retains the unimportant facts in life and loses those which are more significant!. You will probably remember him.
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21st of October 2014 09:06 PM by Robin Phelps
Many thanks Ron. The doctor asked me to pose the questions to you and I am pleased to report that he his more than happy with your memory. Bob P
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21st of October 2014 07:18 PM by Ron Riches
Sorry, I forgot. I have no idea of the girls schedule except that the commuters among them caught the 8.00 from Haywards Heath in the morning and shared with us the infamous 4.28 home.
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21st of October 2014 07:14 PM by Ron Riches
Crikey Bob P, I've had eleven more years than you to forget such statistics. As I remember the day started at 9.00am and finished at 3.50pm to allow a leisurely stroll to Aldrington Halt for the 4.14 to Brighton. I believe that we were obliged to endure seven forty minute lessons amounting to 280 minutes. There being two sittings for dinner the overall break I think was one hour and forty minutes and there was a further smoke break of twenty minutes between two of the morning lessons which if my highly fragile arithmetic is correct would allow twenty-four minutes to take in assembly and getting set up for the first lesson.

I will now wait to be shot down in flames. However, whilst the arithmetic may be dodgy, I will only accept correction regarding the schedule from David Gregory, my only fellow 1944/49 subscriber to this site as there were no doubt a few changes over the ensuing years.